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- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 05:57 BST-1
- From: Ofir Gal <ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk>
- Subject: Re: Proposal v5
- To: gem-list@world.std.com
- Message-Id: <memo.343332@cix.compulink.co.uk>
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- In message <9406090818.AA02626@math.uni-muenster.de>, reschke@math.uni-muenster.de said:
- >
- >>
- >> A>Nearly all German programs use CTRL-M instead of Shift-CTRL-S (CTRL-M
- >> A>is the 'German standard' published in Profibuch). I don't know the way
- >> A>it is handled in other countrys. Shift-CTRL-S is more logical, but I
- >> A>think we should follow existing standards as close as possible.
- >>
- >> Correct me if I'm wrong ;-), but the basic idea of this Gem-List is to
- >> create a new standard for all applications, isn't it? Certainly the new
- >
- >No, it isn't.
-
- The idea is to find common ground between the two existing standards - the
- German one and the American (Atari dev docs/Compendium). I tend to go with
- the German standard as much as possible, but in the case of Save As, I
- think Shift+CTRL+S is a good idea.
-
- >> SC for "Save as..." will be a litttle bit irritating for some users but
- >> it's more logical. And after some time everybody will use the new SC.
- >
- >Nope. First of all, there are a *lot* of applications that aren't supported
- >nowadays. And even for those which are still in development, it's hard to
- >tell your customers, why they should have to switch to new shortcuts, when
- >they are used to the current set since years.
-
- I will personally have no problem if all apps changed to the new standard.
- The changes will be minor for most good German programs, a little more work
- for the rest of us. Applications that are not supported anymore are only a
- minor concern, we still have many good programs being developed (like
- your CD Tools, Julian :-). The authors of many of them are on the list and
- will be able to vote against my proposal if they wish.
-
- Many old programs don't follow any guidelines anyway. If the profibuch was
- translated to English a few years back, then we wouldn't need this
- discussion now.
-
- >I thought that the idea of his proposal is more POSIX-like. Not to *change*
- >existing practice, but to document it. I doubt that any major developer
- >will change his existing code just to make the readers of this list happy.
-
- It is more or less that, but please keep an open mind. In the case of
- CTRL+M I suggest to leave CTRL+M undefined so that programmers could
- respond to both Shift+CTRL+S and CTRL+M if they wish to make a more
- gradual move.
-
- Even the so called German standard is not that well defined - CTRL+I in
- Everest selects a word, in Kobold it shows Object Info, in Papyrus it does
- something else (I forget what) and the list goes on.
-
- I believe a good standard, followed by many programmers, will help our
- small and declining market. The inconsistency of keyboard shortcuts is
- simply a pain for users.
-
-
- In message <9406091125.AA09244@cscd4c14.caledonia.hw.ac.uk>, ceebsm@caledonia.hw.ac.uk said:
- >
- >Anyway, just my opinion. Could we maybe get a vote as to whether we keep
- >CTRL+A in the standard so as to stop all the "For" & "Against" CTRL+A
- >mails????
-
- No, CTRL+A is not open for discussion. It is a standard already and I wish
- millert will stop nagging us about it. Going by responses to this idea of
- his, a vote will be a waste of time.
-
- Bye,
-
- Ofir ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk
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